Drop In Unemployment Raises Debate On Optimal Rate
The U.S. unemployment rate has been falling steadily over the years. Down from the recession peak of 10 percent in 2009, it reached 5.9 percent in September.
That's getting close to what economists call the natural unemployment rate — the normal level of joblessness you'd expect in a healthy economy.
But a lot of economists are asking whether the old rules about full employment still apply.
It might seem counterintuitive, but there is always going to be some unemployment. People are always out there looking for work, says former Federal Reserve Governor Randall Kroszner.
"Even in the best of times you're going to have some positive unemployment rate. There's always going to be some churning in the labor market and that's actually a sign of health," he says.
But how much unemployment is too much? It's not a question people asked much three or four years ago, when the unemployment rate was obviously, painfully too high.
But now that it's dropped so much the question is coming up again. For a long time it was conventional wisdom that unemployment should be around 5.5 percent. If it fell too far below that, economists said, trouble would occur.
"The problem is you can't sustain an unemployment rate that's superlow without some other bad things happening, principally a rise in inflation," former Fed Governor Alan Blinder says.
If the unemployment rate fell below 5.5 percent, economists feared there would be a scarcity of workers. Employers would have to raise wages, and prices would go up.
Then in the 1990s something baffling happened: Unemployment actually dipped below 5.5 percent and then kept dipping — below 5 percent, even below 4 percent — with no significant uptick in inflation, Blinder says.
"First thing to say is it was a big surprise to most economists," he says.
How could unemployment fall so low without a significant surge in inflation? Economists have lots of theories. John Canally of LPL Financial says inflation isn't the threat it used to be. He says wage pressures have eased, in part because of globalization.
"In the mid-'70s if you went to your boss and said, 'Hey boss, I need a raise,' the boss would go, 'Yeah, there's probably not anyone else around here who can do your job, so OK I'll give you a raise.' Today if you go to your boss in a lot of jobs the boss goes, 'Eh, you know what? Someone in India can do it for half your price and do it twice as fast. OK, so you're fired,' " Canally says.
Whatever the explanation, economists were forced to reassess their notions of full employment. And today they disagree about just what the natural unemployment rate is. The disagreement extends to the Fed, Kroszner says.
"Some members of the Federal Open Market Committee [the central bank's policymaking body] have said we're very close to our goal, our long-run goal of the unemployment rate being close to the mid-5s and that would be roughly full employment," he says.
Even though inflation remains very low, these Fed members worry that it could resurface.
But the new Fed chair, Janet Yellen, has made clear she sees things differently. The 5.9 percent unemployment rate, she says, masks an unusual amount of hidden weakness in the economy. There are millions of people working part time who want to work full time. And there are the much-discussed discouraged workers, who have simply given up looking for work and aren't counted on the unemployment rolls.
"Janet Yellen's view, also my view and the view of many economists — but not all — is that for a variety of reasons, some understandable and some mysterious, the unemployment rate is kind of out of step relative to other indicators of the state of the labor market," Blinder says.
That's important because Fed officials will have to decide soon when to begin raising interest rates. And that will depend on how close the U.S. economy is to full employment. That means the officials will have to decide just how relevant the jobless rate is and whether old notions of full employment still apply.
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The U.S. unemployment rate has been falling steadily for the past few years. In September it reached 5.9 percent. That's getting close to what the economists call the natural unemployment rate. It's the normal level of joblessness you'd expect in a healthy economy. But a lot of economists are asking whether the old rules about full employment still apply. NPR's Jim Zarroli explains.
JIM ZARROLI, BYLINE: It might seem counterintuitive, but there is always going to be some unemployment. People are always out there looking for work, says former Federal Reserve Governor Randall Kroszner.
RANDALL KROSZNER: Even in the best of times you're going to have some positive unemployment rate. There's always going to be some churning in the labor market. That's actually a sign of health.
ZARROLI: But how much unemployment is too much? It's not a question people asked much three or four years ago when the unemployment rate was obviously painfully too high. But now that it's dropped so much the question is coming up again. For a long time, it was conventional wisdom that the unemployment rate should be around five and a half percent. Former Fed Governor Alan Blinder...
ALAN BLINDER: The problem is you can't sustain an unemployment rate that's super low without some other bad things happening, principally, a rise in inflation.
ZARROLI: If the unemployment rate fell below five and a half percent, economists fear there'd be a scarcity of workers. Employers would have to raise wages, and prices would go up. Then in the 1990s something baffling happened. Unemployment actually dipped below five and a half percent and then kept dipping below five percent, even below four percent with no significant uptick in inflation. Blinder says...
BLINDER: First thing to say is it was a big surprise to most economists.
ZARROLI: How can unemployment fall so low without a significant surge in inflation? Economists have lots of theories. John Canally of LPL Financial says wage pressures have eased in part because of globalization.
JOHN CANALLY: In the mid-70s if you went to your boss and said hey, boss, I need a raise. The boss would go yeah, there's probably not anyone else around who could do your job so yeah, OK, I'll give you a raise. Today if you go to your boss, in a lot of jobs the boss goes you know what? Someone in India can do it for half your price and do it twice as fast. OK, so you're fired.
ZARROLI: Whatever the explanation, economists were forced to reassess their notions of full employment. And today they disagree about just what the natural unemployment rate is. The disagreement extends to the Federal Reserve, says Randall Kroszner.
KROSZNER: Some members of the Federal Open Market Committee have said well, we're very close to our goal, our long-run goal of the unemployment rate being close to the mid-five.
ZARROLI: Even though inflation remains very low, these Fed members worry that it could resurface. But the new Fed Chair Janet Yellen has made clear she sees things differently. The 5.9 percent unemployment rate, she says, masks an unusual amount of hidden weakness in the economy. There are millions of people working part-time who want to work full-time. And there are the much discussed discouraged workers who have simply given up looking for work and aren't counted on the unemployment rolls. Again, Alan Blinder.
BLINDER: Janet Yellen's view, also my view and the view of many economists - but not all - is that for a variety of reasons - some understandable and some mysterious - the unemployment rate is kind of out-of-step relative to other indicators of the state of the labor market.
ZARROLI: And that's important because Fed officials will have to decide soon when to begin raising interest rates. And that will depend on how close the U.S. economy is to full employment. That means they'll have to decide just how relevant the jobless rate is and whether old notions of full employment still apply. Jim Zarroli, NPR News, New York. Transcript provided by NPR, Copyright NPR.
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