What's It Like To Be A Dictator's Kid? 'They're All Marked,' Author Says
The children of admired, famous people can have a tough time becoming their own person despite — and even because of — all of their advantages. But what does life hold for the sons and daughters of tyrants and dictators whose very names become synonyms for evil? Does the name they bear sentence them too?
In Children of Monsters: An Inquiry into the Sons and Daughters of Dictators, Jay Nordlinger traces what happened to the succeeding generation of some of the most infamous names of history. He tells NPR's Scott Simon what he learned about the Mussolinis, the Gadhafis and the Tojos.
Interview Highlights
On the man who said he was Hitler's son, a claim many historians are skeptical of
For my book, the question of paternity is not the most important question, and he probably was not the son of Hitler. He's dead now. He was a Frenchman named Jean-Marie Loret. The question for me is this: He believed himself to be the son of Hitler — what effect did that have on him? And the answer is pretty bad. He wasn't a stable human being, is my impression, and in the end, after first resisting the idea that he was Hitler's son, he embraced it and, I'm sad to say, was proud of it.
On Italian dictator Benito Mussolini's son, Romano Mussolini, who became a jazz musician
He was defensive of his father, one of those keepers of a dictator's flame. In fact, the last time Romano saw his father, Romano was picking out a tune from The Merry Widow on the piano and Mussolini said, "Keep playing, Romano." And he did. For a while he did play under a different name — he called himself Romano Full. ... But then he discovered that Mussolini was more of a draw than a repellant, so ever after he was Romano Mussolini.
On the children of Hideki Tojo, Japan's prime minister during World War II
They had behaved with great dignity, with sort of exemplary decorum. They've mainly been quiet; when they've spoken, they've been measured, dignified. And a great contrast is a Tojo grandchild who became famous and wrote some books and was an outright apologist for Japanese fascism and nationalism and the war.
On the son of Libyan dictator Moammar Gadhafi
This is Saif Al-Islam we're speaking of, and he tried to go straight, so to speak. He wanted to be a Western-style liberal, or an Arab reformer. He went to the London School of Economics. He almost made it, but when the civil war came and the family dictatorship was under threat, he returned home. He fought for the dictatorship and now is wanted by the Hague. ...
He couldn't let it go. I think the ties of blood, the ties of father and dictatorship proved in the end too strong. But I believe he was — if I can indulge in some psychological terminology — he was conflicted. There's no doubt about that. And many of these other sons and daughters are.
On what he learned about whether a dictator can be a successful parent
Very few of these kids emerged unscathed. They're all marked in a way. I admire the ones who can find their own way and live decently.
[Dictator Nicolae] Ceausescu in Romania had two sons. One was a perfect little monster who raped and tortured and murdered his way through Romania all of his short life; and the other son, Valentin, who's alive today, has lived blamelessly as far as I can tell. He's a physicist. For decades he's worked at an institute and as far as I know he's never harmed a hair on anyone's head. So where does that leave us with nature [vs.] nurture?
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Transcript
SCOTT SIMON, HOST:
The children of admired famous people can have a tough time becoming their own person, despite even because of all their advantages. What does life hold for the sons and daughters of tyrants and dictators whose very names become synonyms for evil? Does the name they bear sentence them in a way, too? Jay Nordlinger, a senior editor at National Review and music critic of the New Criterion, has written a book in which he tries to trace what's happened to the succeeding generation of some of the most infamous names of history - the Stalins, Gadhafis, Maos and Pol Pots. His new book - "Children Of Monsters: An Inquiry Into The Sons And Daughters Of Dictators." Jay Nordlinger joins us from New York. Thanks so much for being with us.
JAY NORDLINGER, BYLINE: Oh, it's an honor. Thank you.
SIMON: To take up the most odious name first - there is a man who claims to be the son of Adolph Hitler. You and most historians are skeptical. He does look a little like him.
NORDLINGER: More than a little, yeah.
SIMON: Grew a moustache and you're intrigued by the fact that anybody would want to claim Hitler as their father.
NORDLINGER: That's right. For my book, the question of paternity is not the most important question, and he probably was not the son of Hitler. He's dead now. He was a Frenchman named Jean-Marie Loret. The question for me is this - he believed himself to be the son of Hitler. What effect did that have on him? And the answer is pretty bad. He wasn't a stable human being is my impression. And in the end, after first resisting the idea that he was Hitler's son, he embraced it and, I'm sad to say, was proud of it.
SIMON: There are lots of Mussolinis. Let me ask you about one by cueing some music.
(SOUNDBITE OF MUSIC)
SIMON: This is a Mussolini. This is Romano Mussolini, and in fact, he's a jazz musician who played with Duke Ellington. He played with Dizzy Gillespie, married Sofia Loren's sister. He was 17 at the end of the war when his father died. And I gather, never talked about his father much until his later years, and what did he say?
NORDLINGER: Well, he was defensive of his father, one of those keepers of a dictator's flame. In fact, the last time Romano saw his father, Romano was picking out tunes from "The Merry Widow" on the piano, and Mussolini said keep playing, Romano, and he did. For a while, he did play under a different name. He called himself Romano Full, F-U-L-L. But then he discovered that Mussolini was more of a draw than a repellent. So ever after, he was Romano Mussolini.
SIMON: You also have some regard for one of Moammar Gadhafi's sons, Saif.
NORDLINGER: Saif, yes, there are two sons of Gadhafi named Saif. This is Saif Al-Islam we're speaking of. And he tried to go straight, so to speak. He wanted to be a Western-style liberal or an Arab reformer. He went to the London School of Economics. He almost made it. But when the Civil War came and the family dictatorship was under threat, he returned home. He fought for the dictatorship, and now is wanted by the Hague. I think the ties of blood, the ties of father in dictatorship, proved in the end too strong.
SIMON: We tell ourselves as parents that if we put good things into our children, they will reflect them. They will begin to embody them, which raises the question as to whether one of the world's monsters can ever be a successful parent.
NORDLINGER: Yes. Yeah, that's true. Very few of these kids emerged unscathed. They're all marked in a way. I admire the ones who can find their own way and live decently. Ceausescu in Romania had two sons. One was a perfect little monster who raped and tortured and murdered his way through a mania all of his short life. And the other son, Valentin, who is alive today, has lived blamelessly as far as I can tell. He's a physicist. For decades, he's worked at an institute. And as far as I know, he's never harmed a hair on anyone's head. So where does that leave us with nature-nurture?
SIMON: Jay Nordlinger, his new book, "Children Of Monsters: An Inquiry Into The Sons And Daughters Of Dictators." Thanks so much for being with us.
NORDLINGER: Oh, a pleasure, thank you. Transcript provided by NPR, Copyright NPR.
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