In the battle for Kherson, Ukrainian infantry officers say don't underestimate Russia
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Maj. Roman Kovalev leads a newly formed 500-person battalion that is training at military camp outside Dnipro, Ukraine, on Oct. 24.Franco Ordoñez / NPR -
Ukrainian artillery unit members turn back to their position after firing toward Kherson on Friday.Bulent Kilic / AFP via Getty Images -
Maj. Hryhoriy Havrysh tours his bunks at a military camp outside Dnipro on Oct. 24.Franco Ordoñez / NPR -
A man enters an apartment block in Zaporizhzhia on Friday that was destroyed after being hit by a Russian missile.Carl Court / Getty Images
DNIPRO, Ukraine — Ukrainian forces have made significant gains over the last several weeks, recapturing wide swaths of Ukrainian territory in the east and northeast. But now they're bracing for what could be one of their toughest battles yet: for the strategically important southern city of Kherson.
"The Russians know how to fight," says Maj. Roman Kovalev. "They learn fast. They're not the same forces as they were in the spring. It is hard to fight them."
Kovalev is leading a newly reconfigured 500-person battalion to the front lines as early as next week.
As he spoke at a military camp outside Dnipro, dozens of new troops and more experienced officers were making their way through a tall field of grass during a training exercise in a camp in eastern Ukraine.
He tells his soldiers — and anyone who will listen — that the Russian forces won't be underprepared. The Russians have learned that the Ukrainians can fight, he says, causing them to rethink earlier efforts to quickly take large chunks of territory.
"They're changing their tactics," he says. "They're moving more cautiously, trying to take our land one piece at a time."
Retaking Kherson would thwart Russia's goal of cutting Ukrainian access to the Black Sea
Oleksandr Musienko, a military expert based in Kyiv, says there is a lot at stake in Kherson. For the Ukrainians, taking back this regional capital would be huge for morale — and a strategic win. It would also set the stage to take back parts of the neighboring Zaporizhzhia region, including a nuclear power plant that the Russians control.
And it would be devastating for Russia, which claimed to formally annex the Kherson and Zaporizhzhia regions along with two other territories from Ukraine last month.
"If we de-occupy Kherson, we will destroy Russian plans to move forward to Kryvyi Rih, to Mykolaiv or to Odesa," Musienko says.
It would not only deal a blow to Russian's plans to cut off Ukraine's access to the Black Sea, but also would be terrible embarrassment to Moscow, he says.
"It would be huge, really huge," Maj. Hryhoriy Havrysh says of reclaiming Kherson. "Kherson is symbolic for the south."
But as eager as the Ukrainians are to take it back, Havrysh knows the Russians won't give up control without a bitter fight.
"We made progress. They reacted," he says. "And now we need to make new opportunities."
Moscow-appointed officials in Kherson have begun fleeing to Russia
Some of Russia's newly mobilized conscripts have been sent to help in Kherson. Local officials installed by Moscow are also building territorial defense units — and encouraging willing men to join.
"Everything is under control," Kirill Stremousov, the region's Russian-installed deputy administrator, said in a public message on the Telegram social media and messaging app.
Stremousov is trying to paint a picture that the Russians are holding the Ukrainians at bay. Meanwhile, the Moscow-appointed city officials are fleeing into Russia.
Four explosions from grenade launchers shake the ground where Kovalev's soldiers are advancing. He chuckles when asked about the new Russian conscripts.
"Let them all come. The more that come, the more that will remain here," he says, implying that those who fight against Ukraine will also die in Ukraine.
For him, the battle for Kherson is personal. After Kherson, the Ukrainians can turn to an even bigger prize — the Crimean Peninsula, which is where Kovalev grew up. Russia annexed Crimea in 2014.
It's been eight years since Kovalev has been to his hometown of Sevastopol, along the Black Sea coast.
"Sometimes I dream about it," he says. "I dream about the sea. I dream about my home city. My soul is there."
He's counting on seeing it again soon, he says: "I believe it's going to happen."
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Transcript
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Ukrainian forces have made tremendous gains over the last several weeks, recapturing wide swaths of territory in the east and northeast. But now they're bracing for what could be one of their toughest battles yet, Kherson. They've made progress towards the strategically important southern city, but the Russians are dug in. And as NPR's Franco Ordoñez reports, Ukrainian officers don't think victory will be easy. Just a note - this story does include the sound of gunfire.
(SOUNDBITE OF GUNFIRE)
FRANCO ORDOÑEZ, BYLINE: Dozens of Ukrainian soldiers push their way through a tall field of grass. They confront an enemy less than a mile away, and the battle intensifies. It's a training exercise on a military camp in eastern Ukraine, but a key one for this newly formed brigade that heads to the front lines as early as next week to face the Russians. Major Roman Kovalev is leading the new battalion. He tells his soldiers and anyone who will listen that the Russians should not be underestimated.
ROMAN KOVALEV: (Through interpreter) To be true, the Russians know how to fight.
ORDOÑEZ: Despite Russia's recent losses, Kovalev insists the Russians won't be underprepared.
KOVALEV: (Through interpreter) They learn fast. They're not the same forces as they were in the spring. It is hard to fight them.
ORDOÑEZ: And he says the Russians are more deliberate in how they use their resources and advantages in artillery.
KOVALEV: (Through interpreter) Now they understand they'll face strong resistance. So they're changing their tactics. They're moving more cautiously, trying to take our land piece by piece.
ORDOÑEZ: There's a lot at stake in Kherson.
OLEKSANDR MUSIENKO: Kherson is very important for Russia and also for Ukraine.
ORDOÑEZ: That's Oleksandr Musienko, a military expert based in Kyiv. For the Ukrainians, taking back the regional capital would be huge for morale and a strategic win. It would also set the stage to take back parts of the neighboring Zaporizhzhia region, including a nuclear plant that the Russians control. And it would be devastating for the Russians. Not only did they illegally annex Kherson recently, but Musienko said it would deal a blow to their plans to cut off Ukraine's access of the Black Sea.
MUSIENKO: If we will occupy Kherson, we will destroy the Russian plan to move forward to Kryvyi Rih, to Mykolaiv or to Odesa.
HRYHORIY HAVRYSH: (Through interpreter) It would be huge, really huge. Kherson is symbolic for the south.
ORDOÑEZ: And as eager as the Ukrainians are to take it back, Major Hryhoriy Havrysh says Russians are not going to give up control without a bitter fight.
HAVRYSH: (Through interpreter) We made our push. We made progress. They reacted. And now, we need to make new opportunities.
ORDOÑEZ: Some of the newly mobilized Russian conscripts have been sent to help in Kherson. Local officials installed by Moscow are also building territorial defense units and encouraging willing men to join. Kirill Stremousov is the Russian-installed deputy minister of the region. He's trying to paint a picture that they're holding the Ukrainians at bay. Meanwhile, the Moscow-appointed city officials flee into Russia proper.
(SOUNDBITE OF GUNFIRE)
ORDOÑEZ: As for Major Kovalev, he says he's not concerned about additional Russian forces.
KOVALEV: (Through interpreter) Let them all come. The more that come, the more that will remain here.
ORDOÑEZ: For him, the battle of Kherson is also personal. After Kherson, the Ukrainians can turn to an even bigger prize, the Crimean Peninsula, which is where Kovalev grew up. He says he hasn't been home in eight years.
KOVALEV: (Through interpreter) Sometimes I dream about it. I dream about the sea. I dream about my home city. My soul is there.
ORDOÑEZ: It's only a matter of time, he says, before his dreams come true. Franco Ordoñez, NPR News, Dnipro, Ukraine. Transcript provided by NPR, Copyright NPR.
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