Just under 12,000 votes separated Joe Biden and Donald Trump when they last appeared on the ballot in Georgia. Four years later, the rivals are preparing to share a debate stage this week in Atlanta as they fight for the slice of Georgia voters who could swing the presidential election.

Some of those voters with outsize influence live in Alpharetta, a suburb of Atlanta where new subdivisions keep sprouting and have helped turn this formerly Republican stronghold purple. Reading a novel on a lounge chair in the sun at Alpharetta’s Wills Park Pool, Kerry Webster is the kind of voter Biden and Trump need to persuade.

Webster says she is unhappy with her choices for president. And though she voted for Trump in 2020, he has since been convicted on 34 felony counts and faces more charges, including in Georgia.

A grand jury indicted Trump just a few miles from the debate stage on charges that he attempted to overturn Georgia's 2020 presidential election result.

"He's a conniver. He's not really a good person — he's really not," Webster said. "But the economy was better, and Biden, I don't know if he does a lot for us, hate to say."

But Webster does not plan to watch Thursday's debate. Despite living in a state and a suburban community that helped decide the presidency in 2020, she says she feels unmotivated about her options and has wondered whether her vote matters much anyway.

Prasad and Mansi Vichare are keeping an eye on their kids splashing nearby as a DJ bumps Taylor Swift on repeat and older kids leap from a tall diving board for prizes. The Vichares identify as political independents. And though they definitely plan to vote, they think debates are a mostly useless exercise.

"To be honest, they're a waste, but that's just my opinion," Prasad said. "I'm indifferent," added Mansi, who believes the candidates just tell people what they think they want to hear. "I feel like it's somewhat fake, and so I don't know if it's really that helpful."

A few lounge chairs away, Madalyn Ford is concerned that some voters have not internalized the stakes.

Ford says she has voted for both Republicans and Democrats, but never Trump. At 73, she worries about the U.S. that her grandkids will inherit and says she will not miss the debate.

"This is really important for Biden," Ford predicted. "He better get a good night's rest. I don't think he's got dementia, but he's old and this is super-important."

Polls suggest that Biden has gained ground with older voters, particularly women. But support from younger voters of color, who have long been Democrats' bread and butter, appears to be softening.

Millennial Deanna McKay says she has struggled with whether her vote matters. McKay voted for Trump in 2016 and Biden in 2020. She says she will watch this debate with an open mind.

"Socially Biden, but financially Trump, and that's kind of a tough place to be," she explained. "But it's a little frustrating because these aren't the two candidates I would choose."

McKay says she cares most about affordable housing and reproductive rights. She says she does not directly fault Trump for the overturn of Roe v. Wade, despite his three appointments that cemented a conservative majority on the Supreme Court.

Field operations take shape as voting nears

This month, the Trump campaign opened its first Georgia field office in a tidy brick building that's 20 miles south of Atlanta and shared with an insurance agency. On a recent weekday, staffers invited supporters to tour the campaign's inaugural field office, grab coffee and doughnuts and sign up to volunteer.

Ben Carson, the secretary of housing and urban development under Trump, traveled to Georgia for the grand opening and described the choice that voters face in November with an analogy.

"Would you rather have the surgeon who has a bad bedside manner but saves everybody, or the one with a very sweet personality who kills everybody?" Carson asked. "Which one would you take?"

The Trump campaign says it now has more than a dozen staffed field offices in the state, though Georgia Gov. Brian Kemp, a Republican, recently raised concerns that the Trump campaign's ground game in Georgia may be lagging.

"This year it will be clearer than ever that Georgians are ready to help send their state's sixteen electoral votes to the GOP column this fall," Henry Scavone, the Republican National Committee's communications director in Georgia, said in a statement.

After Biden managed to flip Georgia blue in 2020, becoming the first Democratic presidential candidate to carry the state since 1992, Republicans swept nearly every statewide office in the midterm elections that followed. Democratic U.S. Senator Raphael Warnock won reelection that year in a runoff, the one exception.

Democrats still believe Georgia is winnable and see a strong ground game as crucial to notching more wins. Ahead of the debate, the Biden campaign says it will hold 200 events in Georgia, looking to leverage the national spotlight and the side-by-side view of the two candidates.

Jonae Wartel, the Biden campaign's senior adviser in Georgia, says deploying a presence statewide, not just in the Democratic stronghold of metro Atlanta, is a key feature of the campaign's Georgia strategy. The campaign says it has 14 Georgia field offices and will hit 100 staffers here by the end of the week.

"Right here in our backyard, the world is going to be watching how President Biden is fit to lead us into another four-year administration and Donald Trump is continuing to be a threat," Wartel says. "That contrast is going to be on full display. It's the campaign's job to take advantage of that."

"I'm very nervous, I’ll be honest"

Vice President Harris has traveled to Georgia so often that she says people have started jokingly asking whether she is moving there.

"I said maybe!" she recently joked during a Juneteenth block party to celebrate the opening of a coordinated campaign office in Atlanta.

"We're never going to let anybody take our power from us — we will never let anybody silence us. That's what this election is about," Harris told members of the crowd as they enjoyed barbecue and snow cones. "The people of Georgia are going to make the decision, and the decision will be four more years."

Voter Val Acree said she is unabashedly supporting Biden and Harris. Even so, she does have some trepidation about the next few months.

"I'm very nervous, I'll be honest," Acree said. "There's a lot of disinformation and disengagement out there, so I'm doing everything on my part that I can to get people engaged."

That's why Acree says she will be watching when Biden and Trump meet on the debate stage just a few miles away.

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Just under 12,000 votes separated Joe Biden and Donald Trump when they last shared a ballot in Georgia. Now the two rivals are preparing to share a debate stage this week in Atlanta as they fight for the slice of Georgia voters who could swing the election. WABE's Sam Gringlas reports.

UNIDENTIFIED GROUP: Woo (ph).

SAM GRINGLAS, BYLINE: When the heat index tops a hundred, the Wills Park pool in Alpharetta is like a magnet. On this summer Saturday, a DJ bumps Taylor Swift near the snack bar. Kids spring from a tall diving board, competing for prizes.

UNIDENTIFIED PERSON #1: (Inaud***).

GRINGLAS: Prasad and Mansi Vichare are keeping an eye on their kids splashing in the pool. Both identify as political independents. Both feel the debates are kind of pointless.

(SOUNDBITE OF WHISTLE BLOWING)

PRASAD VICHARE: I think, to be honest, they're a waste. But that's just my opinion.

MANSI VICHARE: I'm indifferent. I'm indifferent. They're going to have to say what people would like, not say what people would not like. So I feel like it's somewhat vague sometimes. And so I don't know if it's really that helpful.

GRINGLAS: Nearby, Kerry Webster is reading a novel on a lounge chair in the sun.

So there's a debate coming up in Atlanta.

KERRY WEBSTER: Yeah.

GRINGLAS: Do you think you'll watch? And do you think that'll make...

WEBSTER: Probably not.

GRINGLAS: ...A difference?

WEBSTER: I don't know. I tell you, I mean, I'm just not motivated, you know? I don't know that I feel like my vote makes a big difference.

GRINGLAS: But Webster lives in a state and a suburban community that helped decide the presidency in 2020. So she's exactly the kind of voter Biden and Trump need to persuade. She doesn't like her choices for president. And though she voted for Trump last time, now he's a felon.

WEBSTER: He's a conniver. He's just not a good person, you know? He's really not. But the economy was better, you know? And Biden - I feel like I don't know that he does a whole lot, you know, for us. I hate to say.

GRINGLAS: Madalyn Ford is concerned some voters just don't get the stakes. Ford says she's voted for Republicans and Democrats but never Trump. At 73, she worries about the country her grandkids will inherit and says she won't miss the debate.

MADALYN FORD: This is really important for Biden. He's better get a good night's rest. I don't think he's got dementia, but he's old, and this is super-important.

GRINGLAS: Polls suggest Biden has gained ground with older voters, particularly women. But support from younger voters of color - long Democrats' bread and butter - appears to be softening. Millennial Deanna McKay says she struggled with whether her vote matters. McKay voted for Trump in 2016 and Biden in 2020. She says she'll watch the debate with an open mind.

DEANNA MCKAY: Socially Biden but, like, financially Trump. And that's kind of a tough place to be because these aren't the two candidates that I would choose.

GRINGLAS: McKay says she cares about affordable housing and reproductive rights, though she says she doesn't directly blame Trump for the fall of Roe v. Wade, despite his three appointments cementing a conservative majority on the Supreme Court.

UNIDENTIFIED PERSON #2: Our Trump headquarters, the first one in Georgia, is officially open.

GRINGLAS: The campaigns are gearing up to reach voters like McKay.

UNIDENTIFIED PERSON #2: Thank you all so much for coming out.

GRINGLAS: The Trump campaign recently opened its first field office in a tidy building south of Atlanta.

UNIDENTIFIED PERSON #2: Please come check out the office, meet our staff. And most importantly, sign up to volunteer to reelect our president. Republicans up and down the ticket...

GRINGLAS: After Biden flipped Georgia blue in 2020, Republicans swept every statewide office in the midterms except for the Senate seat held onto by Democratic Senator Raphael Warnock. Democrats see a strong ground game as crucial. This week they opened an Atlanta campaign office with a Juneteenth block party. Vice President Kamala Harris, lately a regular in Atlanta, came to help.

(SOUNDBITE OF ARCHIVED RECORDING)

KAMALA HARRIS: Somebody asked me if I was moving here. I said, maybe (laughter).

GRINGLAS: Supporters enjoyed barbecue and snow cones. Voter Val Akre (ph) says she's fired up for Biden-Harris but is approaching this campaign season cautiously.

VAL AKRE: I'm very nervous. I'll be honest. You know, there's a lot of disinformation out there, disengagement out there. So, I'm, you know, doing everything on my part that I can to get people engaged.

GRINGLAS: Akre says she'll be watching when Biden and Trump debate this week a few miles away. For NPR News, I'm Sam Gringlas in Atlanta. Transcript provided by NPR, Copyright NPR.

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