Yotam Ottolenghi is a star chef. His restaurants in London and his cookbooks offer dishes layered in flavor redolent of the Middle East and the Mediterranean, and they've earned him legions of fans around the world.

Out this week is his newest cookbook, NOPI, with recipes from his restaurant named for the London neighborhood north of Piccadilly Circus.

The dishes contain ingredients that are exotic: the hot relish known as sambal, and pandan, a fragrant green leaf found in Southeast Asia, often referred to as the "vanilla of the East."

Ottolenghi visited NPR with NOPI's head chef, Ramael Scully, who co-authored the cookbook with Ottolenghi.

Until Ottolenghi met Scully, he says, he knew very little about "the magical world of rassam, sambal and pandan," as he writes.

"I've never really been properly exposed to Asian food," Ottolenghi tells Morning Edition's Renee Montagne. "All this kind of very, very intense flavor and flavors and those ingredients put in the context of daily cooking I wasn't quite aware of. And Scully opened my eyes to a degree."

Scully grew up in Malaysia with a mother whose family is Indian and Chinese and a father whose family is Malay.

"Between my mother's side, I had eight aunties, and they all had different levels of cooking using different spices like the black cardamom to curry leaves, to mustard seeds to the yellow and black mustard seeds, and then my, on my father's side, my aunties ... showed me the Malay style of food, you know? So, by the time I left Malaysia, I had like a large range of basic Malaysian different styles, and when I met Yotam, it was just like all right, I've got so much to show you. Like, and we basically, the Middle Eastern guy, the Asian guy, we came together."

The two chefs have been working on and off for about 10 years now developing a distinct fusion.

One of their dishes is chicken that's based on what Ottolenghi calls "an Asian master stock, which is a stock that you keep at home — every Chinese family have this stock, and they cook and cook and cook in it, and it's flavored over time."

Chicken pastilla from NOPI: The Cookbook.

Chicken pastilla from NOPI: The Cookbook.

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The cookbook includes a recipe for a master stock that's easier for the home cook than what they make in the restaurant. As for some of the ingredients listed in the book that might be hard to find — like pandan leaves or lemongrass or rosewater — Ottolenghi says, "people do go online for this specialty shopping, and I think also if you are in a big city it's always an adventure to go out to an ethnic shop, to shop of the culture that maybe you're not completely familiar with."

And, he adds, the recipes do include possible substitutes. "Pandan is a wonderful aromatic herb that works often in desserts and savory dishes all over Asia, but when you can't get it, we say, oh, well, use vanilla. It's another sweet thing that works very well in the Western context, but it does work in Asian dishes as well. So we're not fanatics about our ingredients."

For those who want a challenge, there are recipes in NOPI that are very complicated. Ottolenghi says, "I think they're worth your while." On of those is pastilla, "which is sort of a traditional Moroccan dish. We've actually added a few more elements [Catalan spinach, with paprika] to it. And it's a wonderful pie."

Scully adds that it's a great mix of "sweet and savory."

Pastilla is normally served with pigeon, and Ottolenghi says to try it that way. "Pigeon pie is really delicious, because pigeon meat is rich, so it really can be wrapped in a pie and you can add lots of stuff to it. I mean, these days, people mostly use chicken. But the hearty meats, the richer meats are actually better for pies than chicken. That's why we use the thighs, the fat."

It's just one of the examples, according to Scully, of how "we got the flavors right for the NOPI cookbook for home cooks, and that's very important for me to get that flavor as same as what we did in the restaurant."


Recipe: Chicken Pastilla

Serves 12

3 1/4 pounds chicken, divided into 6 pieces (or 2 breasts, skin on, and 2 legs and 2 thighs, skin on and on the bone)

2 tablespoon sunflower oil

2 medium onions, thinly sliced (8 ounces)

12 cloves garlic, thinly sliced

4 large plum tomatoes, cut lengthwise into 8 long wedges (12 ounces)

4 long cinnamon sticks

1 teaspoon pink peppercorns

2 whole dried chipotle chiles, or 1 urfa and 2 dried red chiles, seeds removed

1/2 cup brandy

2 cups white wine

2 cups chicken stock

2 ounces dark chocolate (70 percent cocoa solids), coarsely broken

7 tablespoons ghee, melted

8 ounces filo pastry (18 to 20 sheets)

2 tablespoons confectioners' sugar coarse sea salt and black pepper

Catalan spinach

1/2 cup Valdespino sherry vinegar or another good-quality vinegar

1/2 cup brandy

2 ounces currants

5 ounces pine nuts, toasted

2 tablespoons olive oil

1 teaspoon smoked paprika

3 small shallots, thinly sliced

2 cloves garlic, thinly sliced

3/4 cup heavy cream

2 ounces baby spinach leaves

1. Season the chicken pieces with 2 teaspoons of salt and a good grind of black pepper. Heat the sunflower oil in a large sauté pan and place over high heat. Add half the chicken pieces and sear for 7 to 8 minutes, turning once halfway through, until deep golden brown on both sides. Remove from the pan and set aside to cool while you continue with the remaining batch.

2. Keep the pan on the heat and add the onions and garlic. Cook over medium-high heat for 15 to 18 minutes, until the onions are soft, dark, and caramelized like jam. Keep a close eye on it toward the end and stir constantly, to make sure it does not catch on the bottom of the pan. Add the tomatoes, cinnamon, peppercorns, and dried chiles, along with 1/2 teaspoon of salt.

Continue to cook for another 4 to 5 minutes, stirring from time to time, then slowly pour over the brandy. Cook for a further 2 minutes, then return the chicken pieces to the pan. Pour over the wine and stock, reduce the heat to low and simmer, covered, for 1 hour. Remove the chicken pieces, increase the heat, and let the sauce bubble away for 30 to 35 minutes, until it has reduced by a quarter and has the consistency of caramel. Remove and discard the cinnamon stick and chiles, add the chocolate and cook for 2 minutes, stirring often. Remove from the heat and set aside to cool: you should have about 2 cups/500 ml in the pan.

3. Once the chicken is cool enough to handle, use your hands to pick all the meat off the bones. Return the meat to the sauce, stir gently and set aside.

4. To make the Catalan spinach, pour the sherry vinegar and brandy into a small saucepan and place over medium-low heat. Warm through for 5 minutes, then remove from the heat. Stir through the currants and set aside to cool. Mix the pine nuts with 1 teaspoon of oil and the paprika and set aside. Pour the remaining oil into a very large sauté pan, place over medium-low heat and add the shallots. Cook for about 8 minutes, until soft and lightly colored. Add the garlic, along with 1 teaspoon of salt, and cook for a further 2 minutes. Add the currant and brandy mix along with the pine nuts, and cook for 2 more minutes. Pour in the cream, increase the heat and cook for 3 minutes, to reduce the sauce by a quarter. Stir in the spinach and cook for 3 to 4 minutes, uncovered, for the leaves to wilt and for the liquid to evaporate so that there is about 2 tablespoons left in the pan.

5. Preheat the oven to 390°F (360°F convection).

6. Brush the bottom and sides of a large deep ovenproof sauté pan—around 10 inches wide and 3 inches deep—with about a tablespoon of the melted ghee. Brush the first sheet of filo pastry and line the base of the pan. Continue with the next sheet, generously overlapping as you go, and leaving about a 3-inch overhang over the edge of the pan with each sheet. Work quite quickly here, so that the pastry does not dry out, brushing each sheet liberally with the melted ghee. Continue until you have used two-thirds of the pastry sheets, then spoon the spinach mixture into the pan. Spread the chicken on top, then continue with the remaining pastry sheets, tucking these ones into the pan, as though making a bed with fitted sheets. Continue until all the filo has been used before drawing in the overhanging pastry sheets and sealing them on top of the pie with a final brush of the melted ghee.

7. Place in the oven and cook for 1 hour, uncovered. Cover with foil and cook for a final 10 minutes, so that the bottom gets golden brown without the top burning. Remove from the oven and set aside for 10 minutes before inverting the pastilla onto a platter. Sprinkle over the confectioners' sugar through a fine-mesh sieve, and serve warm as is. You can also make a mesh pattern on top of the pastilla by heating up a metal skewer with a blow-torch until red hot. Create parallel lines by burning the sugar in straight lines, spaced 3/4 inch apart and then repeating at a 90° angle.

Reprinted with permission from NOPI by Yotam Ottolenghi and Ramael Scully, copyright © 2015. Published by Ten Speed Press, an imprint of Penguin Random House LLC.

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Transcript

RENEE MONTAGNE, HOST:

Yotam Ottolenghi is a star chef. His restaurants in London and his cookbooks offer complicated dishes layered in flavors redolent of the Middle East and the Mediterranean. And they've earned him legions of fans. Out this week - his newest cookbook, "Nopi," with recipes from his restaurant, Nopi, which is named, by the way, for the London neighborhood north of Piccadilly Circus. The dishes contain ingredients that are exotic. The hot relish known as sambal and pandan, a fragrant, green leaf found in Southeast Asia, often referred to as the vanilla of the East. Ottolenghi joined us in our studio with his co-author, Nopi's head chef, Ramael Scully, known to one and all as Scully.

And I am going to put my first question to you, Yotam Ottolenghi. You write in the introduction that until the two of you met - you met Scully - you knew very little about the magical world of rasam, sambal and pandan.

(LAUGHTER)

MONTAGNE: Take that a little further.

YOTAM OTTOLENGHI: Yeah, well, essentially, I was cooking, for many years, food that is very much based on the Middle East, where I was growing up. I grew up in Israel with a lot of Arabic food, plus some southern European food. I've never really been properly exposed to Asian food. And Scully opened my eyes to a degree.

MONTAGNE: Well, then, Scully, describe the foods you were raised on.

RAMAEL SCULLY: Well, I grew up in Malaysia. And my mother's side's Indian and Chinese. So between my mother's side, I had eight aunties. And they all had different levels of cooking using different spices, like the black cardamom to curry leaves to yellow and black mustard seeds. And then on my father's side, my aunties were Malay. So they showed me the Malay style of food, you know? So by the time I left Malaysia, I had, like, a large range of basic Malaysian different styles. And when I met Yotam, it was just like, all right, I got so much to show you, like - and we basically - the Middle Eastern guy and the Asian guy and we came together.

OTTOLENGHI: And we've been working on and off, for about 10 years now, forming a cuisine which kind of fuses his way of looking at food and my way of cooking.

MONTAGNE: Well, let me say at the outset, you do say that this cookbook poses some challenges for the home cook. It's a restaurant cookbook that you've adapted for somebody at home. Can you give us an example of the adaptation - just you would do this in the restaurant...

OTTOLENGHI: In one way - yeah.

MONTAGNE: ...And here's the simpler way.

OTTOLENGHI: Do you have a good example?

SCULLY: Well, the chicken is one of the...

OTTOLENGHI: Twice-cooked chicken?

SCULLY: Twice-cooked chicken.

OTTOLENGHI: Yeah.

SCULLY: So we have a dish it's twice-cooked baby chicken. It's one of the original dishes we had when we first opened Nopi.

OTTOLENGHI: The dish is based on a Asian master stock, which is a stock that you keep at home. Every Chinese family have this stock. And they cook and cook and cook, and it's flavored over time. And essentially, it's like your mother dough. It's a kind of thing that feeds you and feeds you and feeds you. So we created a master stock. And we cook the chicken in there. In the restaurant, it's marinated for a very long time. For how many days?

SCULLY: It's been poached first and then marinated for five days.

OTTOLENGHI: OK.

SCULLY: But then for the book, we split the chicken in half, so you can get a quicker marination and still have that same feeling.

OTTOLENGHI: Yeah.

SCULLY: So that's one we accomplished. We got the flavor spot on on that part.

OTTOLENGHI: Yeah. What we wanted to do is really allow people to enjoy the flavors of the restaurant in their own homes.

MONTAGNE: What about the ingredients? Because if one wanted to replicate even your dishes that have been worked out so that someone like me - home cook...

(LAUGHTER)

MONTAGNE: ...Can do them - can actually achieve the dish, how accessible are some of the seasonings you use? I'm thinking of pandan leaves or lemongrass. Rose water in the U.S. is for - not for cooking as a rule.

(LAUGHTER)

OTTOLENGHI: As I see it...

MONTAGNE: Online?

OTTOLENGHI: Yeah, there is a lot going on online. And people do go online for this specialty shopping. And I think also if you are in a big city, it's always an adventure to go out to an ethnic shop to shop of the culture that may be you're not completely familiar with. But more important, every time we use an ingredient like that in the book, we do offer a substitute. So pandan is a wonderful, aromatic herb that works often in desserts and savory dishes all along Asia - all over Asia.

SCULLY: Yes, the pineapple desserts.

OTTOLENGHI: But - yeah. But when you can't get it, we say, oh, use vanilla. It's another sweet thing that works very well in the Western context. But it does work in Asian dishes as well. So we are not fanatics about our ingredients.

SCULLY: There's a dessert, a pineapple dessert, that's using a lot of Asian aromatics, basically star anise, cinnamon, chili, ginger. But the thing is when we put the pandan, yes, it does give that flavor that smells like beautiful vanilla in a way. So I took the pandan out, thinking if you can't find it, you know, you can use vanilla. And I notice that vanilla and these spices do blend in. You know, it won't - it gets there. But it's a substitution in a way that it does work for some people at home.

OTTOLENGHI: For me, it's extremely important to make sure that you will go embark on a recipe even if you are missing one ingredient.

MONTAGNE: You know, you joke in the book about writing a chapter called Epic...

OTTOLENGHI: Yeah.

MONTAGNE: ...The most complex recipes.

OTTOLENGHI: (Laughter).

MONTAGNE: But in fact, you did include a couple of those.

OTTOLENGHI: Yeah, yeah, yeah, there are recipes that are very complicated. But I think they're worth your while. So you work on them for, you know, quite a few hours. And they really make complete sense because they really deliver on flavor. So there's a recipe here for pastilla which is traditional Moroccan dish. And it's a wonderful pie with lots of sweet and savory flavors coming together so nicely. And although it is a bit of work, although there is a bit of, you know, moments of anxiety when - if and whether it's going to come out properly, it is really, really a wonderful dish, so well worth it.

SCULLY: Pastilla is one of the great examples because we took a traditional recipe, we added chocolate to it. We added Mexican chilies and a Catalan-style kind of spinach (unintelligible)...

OTTOLENGHI: (Unintelligible) and paprika.

SCULLY: Yeah.

OTTOLENGHI: The traditional Moroccan pastilla which is normally served with pigeon.

SCULLY: Yeah.

OTTOLENGHI: We deconstructed it. We added the layer of Catalan spinach with paprika, with sweetness, and then we wrapped it in filo and baked it in traditional way.

MONTAGNE: Pigeons, is - that's the normal filling?

SCULLY: Yeah.

OTTOLENGHI: Yes.

SCULLY: Yeah.

OTTOLENGHI: Throughout the Middle Ages, pigeon was extremely popular because they were abundant. They were everywhere. And pigeon pie is really delicious because pigeon meat is rich. So it really can be wrapped in a pie and you can add lots of stuff to it. I mean, these days, people mostly use chicken, but the hearty meats, the richer meats, are actually better for pies than chicken. That's why we use the thighs that are a bit fatter.

SCULLY: You get, like, gammy kind of flavor to it.

MONTAGNE: I have to say from this brief minutes with the two of you, you must have a lot of fun at your restaurant.

SCULLY: We do.

OTTOLENGHI: Yeah. I think what we have fun - like, you know, we are food geeks. So we like to spend our time talking about food and analyzing it. There is something really liberating with being with someone who is a bit like you in that department, you know, someone that you can really doesn't think it's completely boring to discuss, you know, quantities of spices or this and that combination because - it's great. You know, there's certain perfectionism that you don't always find in a keen spirit, and we are like that. We are very similar in that respect.

MONTAGNE: Thank you both for joining us.

OTTOLENGHI: Thank you very much.

SCULLY: Thank you. Cheers (laughter).

MONTAGNE: Chefs Ramael Scully and Yotam Ottolenghi, they're new cookbook is called "Nopi" after their London restaurant. Transcript provided by NPR, Copyright NPR.

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