Dental patients really don't like Western Dental. Not its Anaheim, Calif., clinic: "I hate this place!!!" one reviewer wrote on the rating site Yelp. Or one of its locations in Phoenix: "Learn from my terrible experience and stay far, far away."
In fact, the chain of low-cost dental clinics, which has more Yelp reviews than any other health provider, has been repeatedly, often brutally, panned in some 3,000 online critiques — 379 include the word "horrible." Its average rating: 1.8 out of 5 stars.
Patients on Yelp aren't fans of the ubiquitous lab testing company Quest Diagnostics, either. The word "rude" appeared in 13 percent of its 2,500 reviews (average 2.7 stars). "It's like the seventh level of hell," one reviewer wrote of a Quest lab in Greenbrae, Calif.
Indeed, doctors and health professionals everywhere could learn a valuable lesson from the archives of Yelp: Your officious personality or brusque office staff can sink your reputation even if your professional skills are just fine.
"Rudest office staff ever. Also incompetent. I will settle for rude & competent or polite & incompetent. But both rude & incompetent is unacceptable," wrote one Yelp reviewer of a New York internist.
ProPublica and Yelp recently agreed to a partnership that will allow information from ProPublica's interactive health databases to begin appearing on Yelp's health provider pages. In addition to reading about consumers' experiences with hospitals, nursing homes and doctors, Yelp users will see objective data about how the providers' practice patterns compare to their peers.
As part of the relationship, ProPublica gets an unprecedented peek inside Yelp's trove of 1.3 million health reviews. To search and sort, we used RevEx, a tool built for us by the Department of Computer Science and Engineering at the NYU Polytechnic School of Engineering.
Though Yelp has become synonymous with restaurant and store reviews, an analysis of its health profiles shows some interesting trends. On the whole people are happy — there are far more 5-star ratings than 1 star. But when they weren't, they let it be known. Providers with the most reviews generally had poorer ratings.
Of the top 10 most-reviewed health providers, only Elements Massage, a national chain, and LaserAway, a tattoo and laser hair removal company with locations in California and Arizona, had an average rating of at least 4 stars.
Western Dental did not return phone calls and emails seeking comment.
Dennis Moynihan, a spokesman for Madison, N.J.-based Quest Diagnostics, said the company has more than 2,200 patient service centers around the country and had 51 million customer encounters last year. He said all feedback is valued.
"While one negative customer experience is one too many, we don't believe the numbers presented are representative of the service that a vast majority of our customers receive every day," he said.
For years, doctors have lamented the proliferation of online rating websites, saying patients simply aren't equipped to review their quality and expertise. Some have gone so far as to threaten — or even sue — consumers who posted negative feedback.
But such reviews have only grown in popularity as consumers increasingly challenge the notion that doctor knows best about everything. Though Yelp's health reviews date back to 2004, more than half of them were written in the past two years. They get millions of page views every month on Yelp's site alone.
In many ways, consumers on Yelp rate health providers in the same way they do restaurants: on how they feel they've been treated. Instead of calling out a doctor over botched care or a possible misdiagnosis (these certainly do happen), patients are far more likely to object to long wait times, the difficulty of securing an appointment, billing errors, a doctor's chilly bedside manner or the unprofessionalism of the office staff.
Health providers as a whole earned an average of 4 stars.
But sort by profession and the greater dissatisfaction with doctors stands out.
Doctors earned a lower proportion of 5-star reviews than other health professionals, pushing their average review to the lowest of any large health profession, at 3.6. Acupuncturists, chiropractors and massage therapists did far better, with average ratings of 4.5 to 4.6.
Other providers, like dentists and physical therapists, are "actively seeking out customers to review them, whereas doctors have a lot of antipathy toward reviews and as a result have been trying to suppress reviews for many years," said Eric Goldman, a professor at Santa Clara University School of Law and co-director of its High Tech Law Institute. He has written extensively about physician review websites and physician arguments against them, but did not review the Yelp data.
Doctor visits also tend to be more complex than visits to the dentist or chiropractor. A typical dental visit is for a specific service — a teeth cleaning, a cavity filled or a root canal. In general, expectations are clear, and ways to gauge success are easier than with a doctor visit.
Healthgrades, a site which focuses solely on health providers, also sees slightly lower ratings for doctors than for dentists and other health providers, though the differences are smaller than those on Yelp.
Unlike Yelp, Healthgrades, which says it has 6 million survey scores, has not allowed consumers to post comments. But Evan Marks, Healthgrades' chief strategy officer, said the health rating systems are in their infancy. Soon, he said, patients could see different questions based on the type of doctor they see to provide far more useful feedback to those searching the site.
None of this has yet gained favor with physicians. The American Medical Association encourages patients to talk to their doctors if they have concerns, not post views anonymously. And those looking for doctors should be similarly skeptical, the group says in a statement. "Choosing a physician is more complicated than choosing a good restaurant, and patients owe it to themselves to use the best available resources when making this important decision."
The AMA has called on all those who profile physicians to give the doctors "the right to review and certify adequacy of the information prior to the profile being distributed, including being placed on the Internet."
In 2012, the group partnered with a company called Reputation.com to offer discounts to doctors for a service that monitors their online presence and tries to combat negative reviews.
Western Dental's average rating of 1.8 stars on Yelp is well below the average of 4 for all dentists nationwide. About 1,250 of its 3,000 reviews used the words "wait" or "waiting" and about 15 percent of them, the word "worst."
When patients leave angry comments, the chain's "social media response team" often replies, inviting patients to call or email and citing a federal patient privacy law known as HIPAA for not responding in more detail. "Thank you for reaching out and providing the opportunity to improve our services. We hope to speak with you soon," the notes say.
At least one patient gave a Yelp follow-up review of the social media response team's performance: "I responded to the info in their response twice and got no reply at all ... they are just attempting to minimize the PR damage caused by undertrained and rude, lazy staff."
Periodically doctors, dentists and other providers threaten or even file lawsuits against people who post negative reviews on Yelp or against Yelp itself. Their track record is poor: Courts have ruled in favor of the company and various consumers.
In June, New Jersey resident Christina Lipsky complained in a 1-star review on Yelp that Brighter Dental Care had recommended $6,000 worth of work that a another dentist subsequently determined was unnecessary.
Within days, she received a letter from a lawyer who said he was retained by Brighter Dental "to pursue legal action against you and all others acting in concert with you." The letter was signed by Scott J. Singer, an attorney whose office is in the same building as a Brighter Dental clinic. A man named Scott Singer was also listed in 2012 as the non-clinical chief executive officer of Brighter Dental. Singer did not return a call or email seeking comment.
After Lipsky took her story to local media, Singer sent her a letter saying Brighter Dental was dropping its legal pursuit. In an email to ProPublica, Lipsky said "People put a lot of trust into their health care providers, and if my review could help others make an informed decision regarding their treatment, then it was worth it."
Charles Ornstein is a senior reporter at ProPublica, an independent nonprofit newsroom.
Transcript
DAVID GREENE, HOST:
Maybe you are part of this trend. More and more Americans are using online review sites like Yelp and others to decide where to eat or shop or where to get medical care. You can find ratings for doctors, dentists, massage therapists, midwives. Often reviewers will focus on how happy they were with the experience. Was there a long wait? Were people nice? Was the billing fair?
CHARLES ORNSTEIN: What they're saying are doctors who make them wait a long time or rush them out or their staff is nasty and rude - they complain about the types of things that they would complain about at a restaurant, the things that they can observe and that they're own experts in, which is their experience at the office.
GREENE: That's Charles Ornstein from ProPublica. The investigative news organization is partnering with Yelp to provide as much information as possible to people making decisions about health care. Ornstein has been watching doctors adjust to the growth of online reviews. Many, he said, are actually happier when people focus on things like wait times and not the actual medical care.
ORNSTEIN: I think that doctors don't feel like patients are qualified to rate them based on their medical acumen.
GREENE: I see.
ORNSTEIN: So if a patient goes into a doctor's office and is feeling really cruddy and wants an antibiotic and the doctor says, you know, you have a virus. And so you just need to take it easy. Drink a lot of fluids, but I'm not going to give you an antibiotic. That may be an ultimately unsatisfying experience for the patient. And I think doctors are nervous that patients will take that to rating websites, and they may look bad. But in actuality, they made the right medical decision.
GREENE: Of course, if many doctors had their druthers, people just wouldn't focus so much on these reviews.
ORNSTEIN: I think doctors are a little bit reeling from the release of all of this information. They prefer a day where they build the relationship with the patient, and there's not a whole lot of additional information other than word-of-mouth or referrals from other doctors. But that era is sort of changing really, really fast. And doctors are struggling to catch up.
GREENE: Charles Ornstein, if I'm a consumer, and I decide - you know what? - I don't necessarily want to go to a website where I might go for restaurants or, you know, bars. I want to go to a place where professionals are telling me, you know, if this doctor has a good medical record. Are there places I can go?
ORNSTEIN: Well, we're still trying to determine what does a good medical record mean. On our website, you can go to see whether your doctor has received money from the pharmaceutical and medical device industry. You can go and look at the drugs your doctor prescribes and whether or not they're similar to their peers in the same state. You can look up surgeons and see their complication rates and how they compare to other surgeons. So there is sort of the beginnings of a lot of different data sources, which I think will ultimately integrate into these various websites.
GREENE: But right now a lot of what we're getting is based on sort of the experience and the emotion you have when you leave a doctor's office.
ORNSTEIN: That's right. And, you know, to some extent that's legitimate. If you are a busy mom or a busy dad and you go to the doctor's office and you're missing work and you have to wait two hours to see the doctor, you may decide that that doctor is not the right one for you. If you get a bill that's kind of messed up and you have to spend an hour and a half on the phone with your insurance company and then the doctor's office and then the insurance company - we can all relate - you may decide, you know, you want to go to a doctor's office where you're not going to face those same challenges.
GREENE: And I guess if you wanted any sign that people are sort of reacting to the emotion of being there, you look at massage therapists and acupuncturists as being rated consistently so high because people generally do feel good when they leave those places.
ORNSTEIN: I also think those professions are much more attuned to competing for patients because patients pay more of those bills out of their own pockets. I think that they're more attuned to social media. In fact, they encourage patients to go and write reviews on social media, whereas doctors are just sort of really opposed to it. And I think historically, doctors have not really had to compete for patients, per se. And also, you know, their medical acumen wins the day, which is they hope that you will go to them for their competence, for their skill and pay less attention to these other sorts of issues. But they're beginning to creep in there.
GREENE: Charles Ornstein is a senior reporter at ProPublica and a frequent guest on our program. Charles, thanks as always.
ORNSTEIN: Thanks, David. Transcript provided by NPR, Copyright NPR.
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